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Post by terrus on Jun 29, 2014 20:55:54 GMT -5
There is going to be a strong preference amongst players to establish the national capital where it is in real life, I know. But I urge everyone to please remember -- that site was only chosen after extensive, intense political maneuvering. Every state wanted the capital within its borders; the Virginia site was only chosen as part of the 1790 compromise, one of the greatest in US history. There was a site in Pennsylvania that Washington actually preferred. A Massachusettian supporting a VA/MD capital outside that context is absurd.
So please -- don't just jump in on this! Remember in particular that every major Republican is from Virginia -- so doing DC as we did historically will be delivering the Republicans a massive political victory. It'll also put the national capital in a strategically poor location, in my view. I much prefer the Kent Island, Maryland location from another round -- or, personally, New York City (which, as a New Yorker, I'll be fighting for).
Perhaps we should as a party discuss where we might want to locate it?
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Post by John Key on Jun 30, 2014 9:42:44 GMT -5
Okay, I see what you mean. I'll edit my bill to a city in MA or something for right now until we can decide on a better location.
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Post by John Key on Jun 30, 2014 9:47:17 GMT -5
Okay, so I've put mine at the point where NY, MA, and CT meet. This way, it will have more support and we keep it in Federalist territory.
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Post by terrus on Jun 30, 2014 9:58:01 GMT -5
I love the idea, Key, but there is a minor problem. So far as I can see on google maps, the NY/MA/CT border area is dominated by a bunch of mountains. So, not very ideal for a capital. And if we put one there, it'll just end out being built completely in New York, as that's the nearest non-mountaineous terrain. What if we put it on the NY/MA border, right by Canaan, New York? That's completely unpopulated in this period. |
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Post by John Key on Jun 30, 2014 12:32:21 GMT -5
Ah, I see what you mean. The whole NY/MA border is pretty much mountains except that area near Canaan. Hmm, I wish there was a good place to put it that was atleast at a tri-state intersection (preferably with MA being one of the three  ) |
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Post by terrus on Jun 30, 2014 13:22:04 GMT -5
I share that feeling, just not sure how possible it is. Let me give it some thought; someone else can chime in here, too, if anyone is interested.
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Post by Magenta on Jun 30, 2014 18:41:26 GMT -5
I was rather a fan of the proposal that utilized MD, naturally. Regardless of state favortism, I do favor a central state simply on the basis of transit and I believe that our capitol should be somewhere near the center of the country, geographically speaking, in order to promote a certain sense of fairness and equality between the states.
Although, perhaps a certain degree of westwardness while maintaining the centrality would be good as well, to symbolically support westward settlements.
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Post by landry on Jun 30, 2014 20:49:30 GMT -5
I was rather a fan of the proposal that utilized MD, naturally. Regardless of state favortism, I do favor a central state simply on the basis of transit and I believe that our capitol should be somewhere near the center of the country, geographically speaking, in order to promote a certain sense of fairness and equality between the states. Although, perhaps a certain degree of westwardness while maintaining the centrality would be good as well, to symbolically support westward settlements. Pretty much this. OOC: Terrus...Kent Island? Do you still have the info on that? |
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Post by terrus on Jun 30, 2014 23:21:58 GMT -5
I've still the bill language for Kent Island somewhere. It was pretty simple -- Maryland ceded the whole island to become federal territory, and then 10 miles were made the capital at the discretion of the President.
I can get behind a proposal to put it in Maryland -- provided that New York serves as capital until 1800, and provided that the US funds construction of the Erie Canal. This may sound like a lot, but keep in mind that I'm asking my state to give up the capital right now -- no change on the capital means it stays where it is.
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Post by Antoine Desrochers on Jul 1, 2014 0:09:59 GMT -5
I'm supportive of the capitol being in NYC as New York is my home-state as well. Kent Island is also a fine idea. Although if we were to choose a more central location, where would the said capitol be? Or would we make a new city?
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Post by terrus on Jul 1, 2014 9:04:08 GMT -5
We'd be making a new city, most likely, if we move it. Really, that'd be ideal, so as to ensure federal sovereignty over the area.
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Post by Magenta on Jul 1, 2014 18:32:17 GMT -5
I concur that, should we move it to Maryland, it should be an entirely new city, to avoid the appearance of any favoritism.
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Post by Antoine Desrochers on Jul 1, 2014 19:20:11 GMT -5
After some consideration I believe we should continue with NYC as our capitol. My reasons being, we don't have to start over with a new city meaning less monetary allocation towards the construction of a whole new city. If we allow NYC to be our capitol we can also be closer to many economic interests of the country. With a capitol in New York we can focus more funds on our nation's army and defense for which should be a main concern right now, with the ever increasing threat of Britain, the collapse of France, and the Indians to the West.
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Post by Addie on Jul 1, 2014 21:51:47 GMT -5
Well, Constitutionally there is going to have to be a Federal district that is independent and separate from the state that it is located in. I'd be happy to throw up Charleston- and here's why.
- It's one of the largest cities in the united States at this point, so it is an important center. Being directly on the coast also means that getting to and from the city and engaging in commerce is easy. I understand that this isn't the only location that can speak to that, but it's something that Charleston does have going for it.
- The south and the west represent America's frontier. Others have talked about a symbol of expansion- something I don't think that New York, for instance, has to offer- the British are clearly there. From Charleston, we have the Indian areas to the west and to the south- and the French territories are not nearly as organized as British Canada is and we may be able to expand more there as well.
- We know how to win in the North- and we're passing legislation that is going to help out the North and our allies there. Establishing a capital in Charleston will ensure that we can win the South for years to come by delivering something that others couldn't, in my mind.
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